As this year’s annual LGBTQ+ celebration begins, we talk to six BALANCE members about their experiences in life and work As Pride celebrations kick off all over the world this month, six members of BALANCE, the Institute’s LGBTQ+ Allies network group, tell us about their experiences and what employers can do to support true equality.  Eimer Proctor Senior Manager When I first came out, Pride felt like a celebration and a safe space to be myself. Over the years, I’ve come to appreciate that this is not always possible, but I respect the path that has been forged by others to get us where we are today. During Pride 2023, I will remember those who lost their lives and stand in solidarity with my LGBTQ+ community around the world who still face persecution and continue to fight for their right to be who they are. It’s eight years since Ireland achieved marriage equality, and yet it was only in January 2020 that the law in Northern Ireland finally caught up. Given our current political situation in Northern Ireland, it’s unlikely that we will see any further advancements in LGBTQ+ rights and equality in the near future.  I find this very concerning given the rise in hate crimes, conversion therapy and anti-trans rhetoric in the media. It is up to everyone to help end discrimination for the LGBTQ+ community and promote equality.  There has been some great progress in recent years concerning diversity and inclusion in the workplace, but there is still work to be done to protect LGBTQ+ employees and at the heart of this is education.  Employers can introduce diversity and inclusion policies and practices, for example appoint diversity champions and work with employees to help them understand the appropriate language they should use in the workspace. Liaising with employees in the LGBTQ+ community and their allies is vital to understanding the obstacles the members of this community face every day. This, in turn, facilitates a greater understanding of how and why diversity and inclusion policies can directly impact business.  Those employees will, in time, become more comfortable to be themselves within their workplace, as they navigate the corporate world with the full support of their employer. Having these policies in place will also help to attract talented candidates, who will be carefully considering organisations with a strong commitment to diversity and inclusion.  Conor Hudson Finance Director It’s a general perception that Pride means ‘celebration’ and ‘party’. And, yes, this is a part of Pride – a platform to be yourself and express yourself, but still people are also joining Pride to ‘protest’ and it is important to remember that Pride started as a protest. Equality for LGBTQ+ colleagues in the workplace isn’t about sticking up a rainbow flag at the start of June.  Last year, in my organisation, a colleague and I launched an LGBTQ+ Employee Resource Group (ERG) with the intention of discussing Pride. While the initial reaction was positive, one response we received was, “We support LGBTQ+ rights; why do we still need to talk about Pride?” This remark justified why we needed an ERG – to increase visibility and offer a safe space to LGBTQ+ colleagues and colleagues with LGBTQ+ family. It is important for employees to feel part of an open and inclusive workplace from day one and allyship helps support this.  One of the actions we have taken to demonstrate visible allyship is to create MS Teams backgrounds and badges to highlight that this person identifies as an ally. We have found these a useful tool during recruitment and first introductions.  Allyship and open workplaces not only positively impact LGBTQ+ colleagues but can also support colleagues with LGBTQ+ friends and family.  Creating safe spaces for allies is equally important. They can’t be expected to know all the answers and they should be able to ask genuine questions without being judged. This culture not only creates open environments for LGBTQ+ colleagues, but also for other intersectional aspects of diversity. Hugo Slevin Head of Function Pride is a great day for us as an LGBTQ+ community, along with our allies, to come together and show unity, and strengthen through open visibility. It is always around this time of year that we start hearing the same question, “Why do we still have Pride?”, but I think it remains such an important day as shown by events over the past 12 months. First, we continue to witness attacks against our community members in ever-increasing numbers. Attacks across Europe are currently at a 10-year high and recent media coverage in Ireland has again brought this sharply into focus.  As a community, we should be able to feel safe in expressing and being who we are. Pride is very much our time to come together and have a platform to vocalise and display these concerns. We have also witnessed attempts to control the narrative on gay rights across the globe. Of significant concern has been what appears to be a regressing of rights in parts of the US, where this downward trend seems set to continue.  Even in Ireland, we have seen attacks on libraries and the cancelling of drag events in the last 12 months. Pride is the time of year during which our voices can be heard, and we stand against deliberate attempts to silence our community. Finally, Pride is fun! The streets of Dublin come alive – there is a real sense of occasion and happiness in the air. We get to walk the streets, dance and celebrate with our family, friends and co-workers. Jonathan Totterdell Major Programmes, Financial Services Pride in 2023 means a day of visibility and courage for both the progress we have made and the long path ahead for LGBTQ+ people around the world.  Recent events such as anti-LGBTQ+ Bills being passed in Florida and – closer to home, the rise of the far right and their anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric – remind us that progress can be rolled back quickly, and it is imperative that those who live in relative safety can make some noise for those who can’t, without fear of repercussions. Over the past decade, I think we have seen some huge successes with gay marriage, a more open culture and a focus by corporates among Ireland to bring diversity, equity and inclusion (DE&I) to the C-suite. The financial services sector has been making really impressive strides. While there is a business case for DE&I, and many studies have shown that it leads to improved return on investment, I would like to see corporates in Ireland mature on this front, continue to grow their social consciousness, and see DE&I as a positive without the need to prove its financial return. Employers are expected to be ‘all in’ on DE&I in 2023, having the uncomfortable conversations that sometimes come with this topic, appointing champions and including DE&I as part of their leadership ethos. Inclusion is key on the DE&I agenda. You can have a diverse workforce, but without active inclusion, you will be missing a vital ingredient.  One thing I practice is to try to make sure everyone gets a chance to speak up at meetings and contribute ideas and viewpoints to decision-making. When people feel comfortable, they will be able to communicate their ideas more effectively.  Padraig Kilkenny Finance Manager For me, Pride is first and foremost a celebration. It is also an opportunity to reflect on the struggles for equality, not only in our own country, but for LGBTQ+ people across the world.  There is no doubt that Ireland has made considerable progress in terms of LGBTQ+ rights and fostering greater equality in recent years. Landmark victories such as the 2015 Marriage Equality Referendum and gender recognition legislation have increased visibility and acceptance across Irish society.  The Ireland of today reflects a society that embraces diversity and supports LGBTQ+ rights. This has never been more evident than at Chartered Accountants Ireland with initiatives such as the BALANCE network and, more generally, with its support for diversity and inclusivity initiatives. Personally, I am fortunate that I have never felt discriminated against in the workplace, but this is not to say that discrimination does not exist. What I have found helpful in my career is having LGBTQ+ representation at senior levels of the organisation and feeling that I have support from my colleagues and leadership.  I think this support can come in many forms from the highest levels where diversity and inclusion form part of the organisation’s strategy, values and by extension its culture, to more practical efforts, such as establishing and enforcing inclusive policies that protect LGBTQ+ employees from discrimination in areas like recruitment, promotion and benefits. Effective allyship is more than just having policies and strategies in place. It is about supporting and advocating for the rights, well-being and inclusion of LGBTQ+ employees.  Everyone should understand and challenge their own biases through education and listen to LGBTQ+ colleagues, valuing their experiences, and amplifying their voices and perspectives in discussions and decision-making processes.  Pride is a great marker in the calendar for employers to stop and reflect where they are on this journey to foster and support real equality across the board. Áine Crotty Audit and Outsourcing Manager As a leader of a team in my workplace, I believe in the power of people and the true potential that is inside each and every one of my colleagues regardless of their gender, age, sexual orientation, etc.  Therefore, being an ally to my LGBTQ+ colleagues is important to me because it supports them in reaching their full potential.  Non-LGBTQ+ professionals need to be aware of their actions and any potential bias they might have – without the awareness, there cannot be any action or change.  I would recommend attending events such as those organised by BALANCE so you can become aware of the issues your LGBTQ+ colleagues are facing.  There are also some fantastic resources and training out there about unconscious bias that will enable you to change the language you use or how you perceive and treat your colleagues.  After awareness comes accountability. As a non-LGBTQ+ professional, hold yourself accountable to making your work environment a more inclusive place for your colleagues. Make a commitment to yourself and others to change how you act with your LGBTQ+ colleagues for the better. Become an ally and be open and proud of that fact. Letting your colleagues know that you are an ally, and that you fully support them, can make them feel more comfortable in the workplace and allow them to speak more freely about any issues or discrimination they might be facing. It is widely known and accepted that culture comes from the tone at the top. Leaders, whether it be partners or senior executive management team members, need to bring DE&I to the forefront of their agenda. They need to live and breathe what they believe in and what they are trying to achieve for their employees. They need to lead by example and visibly demonstrate their belief in equality for all.

Ann-Marie Costello became the first female partner on the Corporate Finance Team at Grant Thornton earlier this year. Her advice to other women? Back yourself and take opportunities I grew up in a family of medical professionals, so accountancy was not necessarily the expected path. I actually changed from veterinary to commerce and German the day before the CAO application process closed, so my career could have been very different.   Opting to do a degree in commerce and German gave me time to decide what I wanted to pursue as a career. I found I really enjoyed the economics and accountancy modules, so it felt like a natural progression to go on to do the Master of Accounting at UCD Smurfit School before taking up a training contract with KPMG Corporate Recovery.  At the time, the accountancy ‘milk round’ was more geared towards traditional audit and tax routes, so joining an advisory team was the path less taken, but I really wanted the commercial experience that came with it.  Hitting the ground running Having a solid background in accountancy meant I could hit the ground running in Corporate Recovery and I had great training working on trading insolvencies. After qualifying and becoming a manager with KPMG, I left Ireland for a year of ‘anti-reality’, travelling the world.  When I returned, I met with Grant Thornton’s Debt Restructuring Team, who were pivoting away from insolvency. I liked the team and the idea of working to bring businesses back onto a stable footing.  After a few years, I transitioned to Corporate Finance and I made Partner in January of this year, becoming the first female partner in the department.  These days, my work is focused on helping shareholders to position themselves for the sale of a business and to maximise value. Most of my work has an M&A or due diligence focus.  So, in my career so far, I have been able to work with businesses across the entire economic cycle. Fall-off in female talent It just so happens that the areas in which I have worked have been particularly male-dominated, especially at senior levels.  My intake and training contract had a healthy mix of female versus male trainees but, from the manager level onwards, I saw a fall-off in female talent.  The reasons for the fall-off vary, ranging from the lack of a clear path for career progression, lack of support or mentorship, and movement from practice to industry, to work-life balance considerations and family commitments.  The diversity, equity and inclusion (DE&I) agenda was not well-developed when I was training, and as that has begun to change in more recent years, I think that it has brought some significant benefits. I do believe we have seen a move towards greater equity at senior levels – although the pace of change is slower than we may like, I think we’re getting there. We do need more balanced representation to attract younger generations – the ‘if you can’t see it, you can’t be it’ adage.  Greater supports are needed in the form of allyship and mentorship, as well as ensuring the wider conditions to support talent retention are met – these include issues such as childcare, paternity leave (both availability and take up) and flexible working.  There are wider societal shifts that need to become the norm to level the playing field further. Gender pay gap reporting Gender pay gap reporting has been a welcome development in terms of driving good behaviours within business and providing employees with greater transparency.  However, nothing can substitute the conversations on the ground that can provide you with clarity as to where you stand.  Conversations regarding remuneration, promotion and performance are often uncomfortable, so we sometimes tend to avoid broaching these subjects.  Time and time again, recruiters and HR teams tell me that, as women, we often undersell ourselves and have lower expectations for remuneration. We need to value our contributions more.  Do your research, back yourself and don’t be afraid to step out of your comfort zone to take on opportunities as they present themselves. Learning the skills for success At some point in your career, you will need to do more than just to be ‘good at the job’. At that stage, developing your career becomes about your network, your profile and your leadership. It is important to learn to have confidence in yourself and to value your input. This often comes with surrounding yourself with the right people, so don’t be afraid to talk – to your peers, your friends and your network. You will only ever regret the things you didn’t do, or say, so speak up and say ‘yes’ to opportunities for development. In my own experience, navigating career development and parenthood is not without its challenges. You need all the support you can get and to always try to look after yourself.  We just had our second baby towards the end of last year, a year during which I was also going through the partnership process, as well as taking on the role of Chairperson of Chartered Accountants Ireland Leinster Society.  I took on a lot, but there were several opportunities that presented themselves around the same time and, weighing it all up, I chose to go for them. I am lucky in that I have huge support from my family and, in particular, my husband, who had to pick up some of the slack. The role of mentoring and networking I sincerely believe that mentoring and sponsorship are key to development, and I’m glad to see so many businesses providing necessary resources and supports in these areas.  It’s important to have someone who can mentor you – someone who will tell it how it is, act as your sounding board and provide constructive criticism.  It is equally important to have a sponsor within your organisation – someone who will support you and guide you in your career development. I would encourage these relationships to be with both male and female mentors and sponsors.  It can often be helpful to have a mentor outside of your work environment to speak to about your work and personal development. Chartered Accountants Ireland provides a mentorship programme for members, which is a helpful resource. Networking can seem like a daunting task, particularly with the reopening of society post-pandemic. However, it really is never as bad as it seems.   The network of people Chartered Accountants will have from their time at university and training will be huge, and the Irish accountancy profession is particularly well-connected at home and abroad.  Try to keep this network active. You never know when you might be able to help someone, or when they might be able to help you.

Now more than ever, employers must do all they can to support LBGTQ+ employees, break down career barriers and fight discrimination, writes John McNamara Spoiler alert…there is a call to action for all members in this article. I was shocked to read in a new report launched in February that 2022 was the most violent year for LGBTQ+ people in Europe in a decade.  The report from the International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association (ILGA-Europe), a leading equality organisation, stated that there had not just been a stark rise in violence, but also in the severity of this violence, much of it fuelled by an ongoing rise in hate speech, often related to trans people.  ILGA-Europe noted that the translation of hate speech into real-world, physical violence is occurring “not only in countries where hate speech is rife, but also in countries where it is widely believed that LGBTQ+ people are progressively accepted”. According to the report, a dozen far-right groups targeting people due to their sexual orientation and gender identity, have been identified in Ireland. The outlook in Ireland There may be a sense in Ireland that the LGBTQ+ agenda is complete following the 2015 marriage equality referendum. The reality is different.  Just two weeks after the ILGA Report was released, new research published here by Belong to Youth Services revealed that 87 percent of young LGBTQ+ people had seen or experienced anti-LGBTQ+ hate and harassment on social media in the previous year.  This followed earlier research, carried out in October 2022, which found that 76 percent of LGBTQ+ students feel unsafe at school, 69 percent had heard homophobic remarks from other students, and 58 percent had heard homophobic remarks from school staff. The reality remains that many LGBTQ+ people still choose not to disclose their sexuality at work, while many senior executives have not come out at the office.  Fear of homophobia, judgement, exclusion and being passed over for promotion, are still very real for many LGBTQ+ employees.  The power of positive action So, what can businesses do to break down these career barriers, reduce workplace discrimination and better support LBGTQ+ employees in the workplace? Positively, every one of us can take action within our own businesses, by providing leadership and tangible support.  Numerous studies over many years have demonstrated that companies that truly support diversity and inclusion as part of their culture thrive in areas such as: Increased employee satisfaction, engagement and retention;  Increased productivity and team collaboration; Improved employee mental health; and Improved innovation, customer engagement, financial performance and shareholder value. What you can do Only through tangible and meaningful support can employers reap the benefits outlined above, however. Refreshing a company logo during Pride Month, or making a big social media splash, won’t cut it.  At best, it’s a good first step but businesses need to back up these symbols of solidarity with meaningful support.  Here are five ways we can make a real difference through our actions in the workplace. 1. Lead by example from the top Put aside feeling awkward or the fear of using the wrong words. Instead, those in leadership roles should take the time to learn and understand the relevant issues.  Consider setting up an employee resource group or a focus group or ask HR to work on specific topics. Have a senior leader take the lead on LGBTQ+ employee inclusion. This person may not be LGBTQ+ themselves, but they can still be an ally.  LGBTQ+ employees feel more engaged and invested in a workplace that is a safe place, that is accepting and that allows them to be themselves, and more so if they have a boss who is sympathetic to their own struggles. 2. Develop a supportive LGBTQ+ inclusive policy framework and live it LGBTQ+ inclusion should be a core part of your Equality and Diversity policy. As a first step, make sure these policies explicitly mention how you as an employer support LGBTQ+ people within your organisation.  Test any employee surveys for inclusive language. Make your benefits inclusive for all employees by being conscious of the words you use in communications and favouring gender-neutral terms.  Make clear your support for LGBGT+ inclusion in your recruitment practices and back this up in employee induction programmes. Your workplace policies should establish a strong sense of anti-discrimination so that all employees know what is not tolerated, whether from employees or customers.  Create a communication plan to be sure all employees know what is not tolerated and be clear on the consequences.  3. Support your local LGBTQ+ community Use your position of influence to show your support for your local LGBTQ+ community. Provide information about local events and groups, invite speakers to share their lived experiences, consider sponsoring local resource or sports groups, or encourage staff volunteering at LGBTQ+ events.  These are small but tangible first steps in developing a year-round programme of authentic support and allyship, and not just for Pride month. 4. Support transgender employees All the available research shows that transgender people face a unique set of experiences and challenges, and in an increasingly toxic external environment.  Education and learning can be vital first steps. Request HR support to be clear on what steps to take after an employee comes out as transgender to create a supportive and encouraging environment.  There is a lot of easily available information that can help to support greater understanding of trans issues. Explicit statements of support are crucial.  Back this up with practical support. If you offer health benefits, seek to make them trans-inclusive, develop supportive leave policies, use gender-neutral wording and try to provide the ability to allow changes to company records.  5. Talk, listen, act Above all, speak regularly and openly with all staff and your customers about what LGBTQ+ inclusion looks like in your business, how you should address it and how staff can help support it.  We all know that staff who are better understood will be happier and more productive. We develop plans all the time for most aspects of our business and speaking to an agreed plan on these issues often provides a framework for that ongoing dialogue.  At the same time pro-actively look out for signs of problems or issues - identifying signs that staff are under stress, feel unable to be their true selves or are not happy at work, can help you deal with problems at an early stage before they become more difficult to resolve or manage. About BALANCE Chartered Accountants Ireland needs to lead by example too. BALANCE is the LGBTQ+ Allies network group established in 2022 with three events taking place over the course of the year.  Simply put, BALANCE exists to promote awareness of LGBTQ+ inclusion and highlight issues of relevance. We want to be a profession of choice for new students.  We want to encourage visibility and to ensure students and members can be their authentic selves, both during their studies and at work. We want to build and strengthen relationships with our LGBTQ+ allies who work to ensure that the LGBTQ+ perspective is represented at all tiers. This year will see a partnership event in May with KPMG on issues related to digital world engagement, a regional event, profiling of member experiences and further work to highlight issues of importance.  I encourage you to look at our web pages to find out more about BALANCE, access links to resources you may find helpful and we actively welcome new committee members.  Please do get in touch if you have any questions or suggestions at BALANCE@charteredaccountants.ie or check out charteredaccountants.ie/diversity-and-inclusion/balance-lgbtq-network-group John McNamara is Chair of BALANCE and Executive Director and CFO at AIB life

John Francis Dick tells Accountancy Ireland why it is so important to advocate for yourself and ask for what you need to succeed at work “Be the disruptor”. That’s the call to action from John Francis Dick, ACA, whose approach to his career has seen him seek out new opportunities at every turn. “My attitude has always been to just go for it, to take that step and to be the disruptor. You have to be willing to represent yourself in any new situation; to come in and say, ‘this is what I need, please provide it for me’.”  As John sees it, people in positions of influence—school teachers, college lecturers, and bosses and managers at work—have an enormous impact on the opportunities open to people with disabilities. “I want to get the message out there that it’s just so important to give people the time and space they need to perform at their best, to engage with them, and take the time to understand what they need to contribute in the best way they can.” John, who has cerebral palsy, grew up in south Belfast and, after completing his A Levels, went on to Queen’s University Belfast to study for a degree in land use and environmental management. “A lot of my school friends dropped out after their GCSEs. They didn’t go on to do A Levels, but I didn’t grow up seeing many people with disabilities around me, so I’ve never taken my education or career for granted,” he explains. “I was passionate about getting as much out of the educational experience as I could. Going to college was a big milestone for me. I hadn’t always been sure I’d get to do it because of my disability.” Be your own advocate It was at this time that John learned the value of speaking up, asking for what he needed, and becoming his own advocate. “It was the first time I was really on my own. I didn’t have my parents behind me and I was suddenly in a much bigger environment than I had been in at school. It was the first time I found myself having to fight for my needs and rights,” he explains. The experience taught John the importance of determination, and gave him the confidence to begin looking further afield to progress his career and education. He decided to apply for a one-year placement with Study USA, a British Council initiative, which allows third level students to spend a full academic year studying business in the US. His placement was with Monmouth, a private college in the midwestern state of Illinois. “That was really where my business education began,” he says.  “Up until that point, the only experience of accountancy I’d had was through my dad, but he just did a one-year course at Ulster University and then went into business.” John was “very open” to learning about accountancy and business, and potentially taking his studies in a new direction. “Really, I’d say my entire education and career to date has been driven by an openness to grasp opportunities, try new things and make the most of lots of different experiences,” he says. “I think this approach will take you in the right direction and, again, for people with disabilities, it comes back to that idea of being a disruptor. “It’s so important to reach out, to be seen and counted, and have access to the same experiences, opportunities and choices as people who do not have disabilities,” says John. “For the most part, people have been accepting of my difference, curious to know more about me and how they can help.  “The bigger challenge for me has been navigating the organisations and institutions that are not quite sure how best to support people with disabilities. “I feel that, in my own journey from school to college and on to work, I’ve really had to be my own trailblazer in terms of getting things done, but I’ve also seen a lot of change in those years.  “Even in terms of Chartered Accountants Ireland as an organisation, its approach to helping people with disabilities continues to improve and that’s encouraging. The Institute has agreed to my request to introduce disability awareness training for staff and I really welcome that.” Path to accountancy While he enjoyed studying for his degree in environmental management at Queen’s University, John was also aware that better career opportunities might lie elsewhere. “I remember, when I was at Monmouth, being encouraged to come up with business ideas. It was just a different way of learning and I think it really helps you when you go into the working world,” he says. “So, I came home and finished my degree, but I also took a part-time job as a book-keeper and started learning about debits and credits. My parents were a big support at that time, because they were both responsible for the accounts in their jobs.” In late 2011, the year after his graduation, John decided to apply for a training position with EY in Dublin. He was offered a six-month internship and went on to work with the firm for five-and-a-half years, qualifying as a Chartered Accountant and becoming an Audit Senior. “Joining EY was a really big step for me. It was my first full-time role and my first experience working in a Big Four environment. Starting with the six-month internship was really key for me because it meant I knew what to expect and how best to navigate my way around,” he says. Importance of managers During his years with EY and in subsequent roles in banking and industry, John has learned time and again the critical role managers can play in supporting career progression. “I remember once I had one manager who, I felt, wasn’t supporting me or interested in me as a person.  “I thought, ‘something has to change’. There were other managers I got on really well with, so I asked to switch teams. I took control of the situation. “The person I talked to about switching teams, who was also a Chartered Accountant, was an enormous help and support to me at that time. They are also someone I’ve returned to over the years to ask for advice and input.” Such support has been crucial in helping John to navigate his career path and make the right decisions.  “It just goes to show how important it is to speak up and advocate for yourself. Anyone can find themselves in a situation where their manager isn’t open to promoting them or supporting their needs and progression,” he says. “You might not have exactly what they’re looking for on the face of it, but if they’re not open to seeing your strengths, they won’t be able to see how a different approach could result in a better outcome for you and for your team.” The result of this approach to managing people is often a poor culture and a higher turnover of staff of all abilities, John says. “I wasn’t the only one on my team who was frustrated with how we were being managed, but I think I found it especially difficult. I had identified what I wasn’t able to do myself, but there was no room for genuine communication.” He continues: “These days, I am more confident about asking for that communication and understanding. I’ll give everything 110 percent. Living with a physical disability can present acute challenges, but I find solutions and I put them into practice.  “I am an advocate for the promotion of differing abilities in the workplace. I think it’s crucial that we respect and value each colleague’s abilities and I take pride in my work and in leaving things better than I found them and having a positive impact on the people around me.”

Maeve Dermody tells Accountancy Ireland about her experiences in the workplace as a person who is profoundly Deaf For Maeve Dermody, ACA, a truly inclusive workplace is one that supports open communication, diversity and allyship. Dermody, who qualified as a Chartered Accountant in 2018 and now works for Revenue, has had varied experiences in the working world—some positive, and some negative.  Above all, she has learned the true value of open communication, a willingness to embrace difference, and the strengths and benefits it can bring to the working world.  “My biggest advice to employers would be to focus always on a person’s abilities, not their disabilities,” Dermody says. “I am Deaf, but I have strong communication skills. I am very good at writing reports and communicate very effectively this way. I am a team player and I always want to contribute, to discuss my work, and find out about other people’s work.” Dermody joined Revenue five years ago as an Executive Officer and was promoted to Administrative Officer in 2019. “I have been given a lot of space here to learn, develop and grow in my career,” she says. “Not all jobs are positive, and I think this has really shown me the enormous value of providing the right supports for people with disabilities and creating the right culture of communication.” The right support Dermody has the full support of her line manager at Revenue and is provided with an Irish Sign Language (ISL) interpreter at all team meetings. “This means I’m able to converse, interact and engage. The conversation flows naturally because I can express myself. Without an ISL interpreter, it would be challenging in a group environment to engage effectively,” she says.  “I can lip read in one-to-one meetings, but, in a group setting, it is much more difficult because I am trying to keep track of everything around me.” This practical support also helps to foster a sense of inclusion and allows Dermody’s colleagues to benefit from the full scope of her skills and expertise as a Chartered Accountant.  “I haven’t always had a positive experience at work. A few years ago, I worked with a small firm in private practice, and I found it very challenging,” she says. “At team meetings with colleagues, there was no interpreter present, so I found it hard to understand the messages my colleagues were communicating.  “We would be sitting together around a table and people beside me would be chatting and looking at their notes, so I wasn’t able to lip read.  “I was the only Deaf person and felt I couldn’t make the role work for me, because of the lack of support in the environment. “With Revenue, my experience has been completely different and so—to all employers—I would say, ‘be an ally, listen and work together with the individual, because everyone has different needs’.  “My husband is Deaf too, but his level of hearing is different which means he can use the phone, whereas I can’t, but we have the same preference to have an ISL interpreter at meetings.  “At the same time, another person who has the same level of hearing as me might prefer to use captions. Different people have different preferences, needs and accommodations and that is why it is so important to talk, to ask questions, to listen and respond to the individual.”  Maeve’s story Dermody grew up on a farm in Mullinalaghta, Co. Longford, with four older brothers. “One of my brothers has a hearing loss and I am profoundly Deaf, so we have both had very different experiences. I went to a Deaf school and he went to a mainstream school. “I grew up seeing him progressing a few years ahead of me—going to college and getting a job. I thought, ‘I’m going to grow up and I’ll do the same because he’s been able to do it’.” At first, Dermody set her sights on becoming a primary school teacher. “I went to a Deaf school in Dublin and I knew that St Patrick’s College offered a teacher training course in Deaf education. That’s what I wanted to do,” she says. Dermody discovered, however, that she couldn’t apply for a place on the course because the Deaf school she had attended had not taught Irish as a subject at either primary or secondary level.  This meant she did not have Irish as a Leaving Certificate subject—a requirement for primary teaching in Ireland. “I didn’t have the option of doing my primary teacher training in Ireland. I could have gone over to the UK, but I didn’t want to do that. I wanted to study here and be close to family and friends,” she says. Instead, she decided on a different career path; one that would allow her to use her strength in maths and interest in business to become a post-primary teacher. College life Dermody embarked on a degree in accountancy and finance at Dublin City University (DCU) in 2008 followed, three years later, by a professional diploma in education and a master’s in education. She is a qualified secondary school teacher, specialising in accounting and business studies.  Dermody’s college experience was positive, but it was also a new and unfamiliar environment. “When you’re in a Deaf school, it’s a bit like being in a bubble. You know all the teachers and everyone uses sign language. We had very small classes of just two to six pupils,” she says. She was the only pupil in her class to do the Leaving Certificate. “I had always wanted to go on to third level, meet people and socialise,” she explains.  “College is very new and different though when you’re coming from a Deaf school. You can feel a bit lost, but I was determined to roll up my sleeves and integrate.” As well as forming close bonds with her collegemates at DCU, and forging lifelong friendships, Dermody made use of the supports offered to Deaf students, including ISL interpreters and note-takers for college lectures. “I started to teach and I enjoyed it, but found myself wanting more from my working life. I’ve always been a problem-solver, so I started thinking instead about pursuing a career in accountancy,” she says. Dermody’s next port-of-call was AHEAD, the independent non-profit organisation working to create inclusive environments in education and employment for people with disabilities. “AHEAD is a really good organisation and they provide a lot of support in the workplace, both to the person with a disability and to the employer,” she says. Through AHEAD’s Willing Able Mentoring (WAM) programme for graduates with disabilities, Dermody secured two paid work internships with ESB and the Civil Service. “I started applying for jobs when I completed my internships, but I wasn’t having much luck. I decided that I needed more qualifications under my belt, so I started studying to become a Chartered Accountant,” she says. “As an organisation, Chartered Accountants Ireland was every bit as supportive as DCU, organising ISL interpreters and anything else I needed. “It was only when I started applying for jobs, both after graduating from DCU and completing my CA training, that I started to feel different. I could see my peers, who had similar grades but no disability, getting jobs. I wasn’t getting those same opportunities.” Path to experience To gain the experience she needed, Dermody took a part-time paid position with Reach Deaf Services. “That was a good start for me, and I was able to apply for other jobs while I worked there.” Eventually, Dermody was offered a fixed-term accountancy position and, from there, she joined St. Joseph’s School for Deaf Boys in Dublin as an accounts administrator. “I also started working as an administrative accountant with Deaf Village Ireland and the Sign Language Interpreting Service. I was working three different jobs, all fixed-term, but I wanted more security.” That was when Dermody decided to apply for work with the Civil Service and was offered her first position with Revenue. Government supports Even though her experience of working in the public sector has been overwhelmingly positive, Dermody would like to see greater emphasis at Government level on the provision of practical work-related supports for people with disabilities in Ireland. “I think the Irish government should look to the UK model of providing supports for people with disabilities. The Access to Work scheme there provides people with a disability with funding at an individual level, to help support them in the workplace,” she says. “This means the employer doesn’t have to be concerned about the cost of providing this support. The person with a disability receives the funding and the employer then confirms that the funding has been used.” On the other side of the coin, Ireland is better than the UK in terms of access for people with disabilities in social spaces.  “I would also like to see Irish Sign Language (ISL) included in the school curriculum in Ireland. ISL is one of our three official languages, yet it is not taught in our schools,” says Dermody. “If Irish Sign Language were on the curriculum alongside Irish and English, it would help to give people a basic understanding of sign language. That would make it easier to converse with Deaf people, even just through simple, everyday expressions like ‘please’ and ‘thank you’.”

Tony Ward tells us about his experiences starting his career as a Chartered Accountant and adapting to a new working reality after he began to lose his sight in his twenties I had a very ‘ordinary’ early life growing up in Monaghan. I was of a generation where it wasn’t so commonplace to go to college, but I was always reasonably academic and chose to study commerce at UCD.  I had no particular focus on going on to do accountancy, but I guess the subjects I studied were already oriented towards accountancy and business.  Looking back now, almost 40 years later, I don’t know whether I was lucky or smart, but choosing to become a Chartered Accountant turned out to be a great decision from a career perspective. I’ve never had any sense that I went in the wrong direction. I began my career in contract with a smaller firm—now long gone after many mergers over the years.  Like all trainees, I started at the bottom and found working at a smaller firm to be of great practical help. I qualified as an Audit Senior in 1989, moved to Deloitte for two years and, from there, went into a management role in practice. It was around 1990 that I became aware that things I used to be able to do fairly easily were becoming more difficult. I was losing my sight, but it wasn’t until 1994 that I was diagnosed with Retinitis Pigmentosa, a genetic condition that causes sight to degenerate over time. Those four years without a diagnosis were the most difficult for me, both personally and professionally.  I was desperately trying to survive in the sighted world and many things became more difficult, and eventually impossible.  It may sound strange to say it now, but it wasn’t obvious to me at the time exactly what was going on.  I think the human response when faced with all kinds of challenges is often to try to survive in the moment.  It’s perhaps only afterwards that we realise what was actually going on. My diagnosis in 1994 came as a huge relief. It’s hard to believe in 2022, but back then losing my sight meant that I basically had to stop working.  Computers and adaptive technology were in their infancy, and I just couldn’t read any more.  At that point, I embarked on a new career pathway—less direct than most in the profession.  Technology began to improve and one of the most important decisions I made was to learn to touch type.  Around that time, I and others were gradually starting to realise that, just because I couldn’t see didn’t mean I didn’t have the skills to do a lot of the jobs sighted accountants could do—think clearly, solve problems, and be part of a team.  Definitely then, and even now, people can be too easily judged at face value. Unfortunately, this means that your most easily identifiable, defining characteristics—in my case, my sight loss—can be a real disadvantage.  At that time, many doors were closed—both to me, and on me. Fortunately though, there were enough open doors, even then, to allow me to pursue a rewarding, constructive and worthwhile career. Here, I have to mention Access Support Services at Chartered Accountants Ireland. I was extremely reluctant to engage with the service at the outset. I thought, “what can they really do apart from sympathise with me?” But, for whatever reason, I decided to reach out, initially to Derek Snow and then Oliver O’Brien. Oliver (who only recently retired from the Institute) was a huge support. He encouraged and facilitated me to go to Institute events and introduced me to others. For that, I am extremely grateful.  I think the biggest challenge people with disabilities face is often other people’s perceptions and attitudes.  This is much improved nowadays with genuine engagement on equality, diversity and inclusion and a much more diverse society than 30 years ago. Challenges remain, however, including preconceptions of what blindness means and assumptions about what you can and can’t do.  There are also the very practical challenges involved in everyday tasks—reading hard copy documents, shopping, transport, participating in sport, traveling, the basics of working full-time, and walking into things if I’m not careful!  I suppose one way for a sighted person to understand my experience would be to close your eyes and try to go about your daily life. That said, technology and a multitude of very considerate family members, friends and colleagues have all made this easier for me.  So, while everything starts from a position of potentially being difficult, good planning and decent workarounds make it all much more possible.  Nowadays, I enjoy a very fulfilling work life, and numerous work- and career-related interests, but getting to this point was neither easy nor inevitable. In my experience over the years, very few employers actively start from a position of discrimination—but we all know, through training and education, that bias is ever-present, including unconscious bias.  The phrase I use to describe how this works is, “the making of assumptions”. We all make incorrect assumptions all the time based on sub-optimal information or flawed perceptions.  So, while the world of employment has improved greatly over the years, much more remains to be done to ensure that we are truly fair and unbiased. People with disabilities and other differences deserve a fair crack at fulfilling their expectations of obtaining and retaining work.  We wouldn’t like to be discriminated against, so we should not put ourselves at risk of discriminating against others. My advice to employers here is to be fair and equitable. Don’t make assumptions about employees or candidates who have disabilities and get professional advice if you need it.  There are organisations like AHEAD (ahead.ie) working to create inclusive environments in education and employment for graduates with disabilities, and many other sources of excellent information about people with specific disabilities that will give any employer the resources they need.  The essential ingredient here is that the employer is genuinely open to all of this and has the right attitude. Without this, it doesn’t matter how many resources you have—­­it will be inadequate. It was one small private company I worked with 20 years ago that gave me my first breakthrough in obtaining employment in an open competition.  I am very good friends with the Director to this day. When I asked him why he gave me the job, he said I was the best candidate. He knew I would be able to do the work as a person with a visual impairment because, he said, “I figured you would figure it out and that it was really none of my business!” That was worth more than anything to me and I flourished in that role for six years. It just shows how much attitude matters. The details can always be figured out, unless the person hiring you really believes your disability is an issue—then, it won’t work. I had a similar experience with The Wheel where I was Director of Finance from 2016 to 2022. They were a bit apprehensive about hiring me, simply because they didn’t know what they didn’t know. In other words, they didn’t know how I would interact with the normal volume of information any Director of Finance would be expected to handle—but, if I can put it this way, they took the risk. By risk, I don’t mean me as a person or professional. What I mean is that they were comfortable not fully knowing or understanding what they didn’t yet know or understand. If you look at equality for people with disabilities in the wider working world and in society as a whole, the bottom line for me is that, if we are treated fairly and equitably, then we have the same likelihood of benefiting from opportunities in life as everyone else.  As it stands, unemployment rates among people with disabilities are much higher than in the general population. There may be genuine reasons for some of this disparity, but definitely not all of it—and employment opportunities really matter because there are so many benefits that go along with them. I am talking about active engagement, social interaction, economic benefit, and the power to make decisions about where and how you live, and what you do.  So, to the extent that people with disabilities might need some extra support or flexibility in the work environment, the benefits for these people, for employers, and for society as a whole far outweigh any efforts, costs or flexibility required. If it is done the right way with the right support from the Government and from employers, we will all reap the rewards.